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Fantastic Movie! hooked now, surprises all over this film, This is the evolution of terminator way before its time.

Nice review, Leopoldo. One of your best, and not just because I largely agree with you. But I do.

However, even though it tends to be a sore spot with a lot of movie-watchers (who too often want everything explained, imo), I think it's enough that the W brothers showed that Neo was connected to the Matrix "wirelessly" to show that what he is able to do makes sense. It could have devolved into mediocre Star Trek NG jargon-laden exposition if they'd tried to explain it rather than just state it.

I think the thing that makes this better than M2 is primarily that there is drama. The middle one lacked drama because there was no real feeling of danger. Neo is like a God. He can always just save the day. You know no one can beat him. You know there's a third movie coming. It's all just for show. In the third movie, there is real suspense because anything can happen, Neo can die, Trinity can die. It's imaginable that an unhappy or "ironic" sci-fi (such as the whole matrix within a matrix hypothesis which I never thought had any merit) ending could occur leaving everything in a shambles. They also did a better job of making you care about some of the lesser characters, such as the APU commander and the kid.

I do think the fight sequences in M2 were "cooler" than the ones in M3. I don't know that there was anything where I truly thought wow. (Video game graphics must be getting too good.) But the third one made me feel and care about what happened, something totally lacking from the second one. (btw, I watched the second one and the first one the day before seeing the third and what really helps the second one is skipping about the first 20 minutes and coming in after the rave scene and after all the pseudo-philosophizing with the council fella.)

I know lots of people have been disappointed with the ending, wanting something much more Hollywood, like Neo's destruction of Smith in the first one. Or they've wanted something totally jarring like the whole matrix within a matrix concept. But I thought the ending was about right. It stayed within the religious metaphor that has been with the trilogy the whole way. It solved many problems such as where all the people in the matrix would go if it just turned off, etc. The peace ends up being a win-win result, in many ways much more mature ending than I expected, though it is foreshadowed in M2 (in a really poorly acted scene).

One trivia question: in M2 the architect says that the oracle is not the mother of the matrix, but we're never given anyone else; if not her, who? Or is it the only case of the architect lying?

I came out of Revolutions a bit blank out. After a few days I think about it, I didn't like Revolutions precisely because it was too predictable. After watching the trailers, I had guessed that he Machines needed Neo to wipe out the Smith virus, and Neo would somehow win and the Machines would call truce with Mankind. The only surprise was this whole thing was setup by the Oracle. And the only question remaining is, was Neo really human.

The reason why I like M1 and M2 was because there is so much mystery, and anything goes. With M3, there was no surprise in how the plot would go, and it leaves no room for any imagination or philosophical thought. Just a plain Hollywood CG flick

Just a few points
i) The architect did not say that she was not the mother of the Matrix...he just said "Please" when Neo referred to her as the Oracle, thereby implying that Oracle is not a fitting name and that she was a "lesser mind". Remember the Oracle herself used the same term when Neo referred to him as the architect...
ii) There were multiple references to events, which happened in the game "enter the matrix".
The Oracle Agreed with Sati's Parents to give the merovingian her deletion keys
Niobe speaking to the Oracle
Also you find out that by kissing people Persephone can read your mind
iii) Mobil Avenue is the name of the train station. Mobil is an anagram of Limbo. That is the place between heaven and hell.
iv) The S&M club, which is underground, is accessed by elevator the button they pressed to activate it reads help but the p is barely visible so it looks like hel
v) Does anybody know seraph's back-story? It appears that he was once aligned with the merovingian (Judas, prodigal son), also Smith talks about chasing him
vi) Is it not interesting that Smith with all the power and knowledge came to the conclusion that the purpous of life is to end? It seemed that he was determined to end all life human and artificial.
vii) Is the reason that Sati was so important is that she was created without purpose by two artificials, this made Neo understand that the artificials are no lesser life forms than he but different?

Nicely said Leopoldo.

But I would like to add that the one liners e.g. when Trinity was gonna die and Neo says "You can't die" and Trinity replies "Yes I can" totally ruined the moment, and at one point I was like, die already!!!

This movie sucked balls. Period. That's it. Dialogue was long and sprawling and predictable. The "action" sequences were laughable, and just when the three times when i went, "cool!", they ruin it with a cheezy line or a really horrible CG effect. This movie sucks balls, don't waste your money.

Really horrible CG effect? Cheesy line? Ya'd better get your head outa yer ass, boy.

Anyways. The movie was awesome, the Hold The Dock scene was S P E C T A C U L A R, the APUs were really well done, the plot was a bit twisted and hard to follow, and Neo and Trinity both die at the end. BWAHAHAHA!

Santa, I want an APU for Christmas, with ammo, so I can conquer the world.

I saw the movie last night. thought the action was mind blowing, and really appreciated the artistry of the shots. I loved the power of the shot with Smith up in the air with lightning flashing in the background screaming, "THIS IS MY WORLD!" Gives me Chills.

I have to reflect on this for a few days, but I think they could've come up with a more "oh my God" type of twist than they did. It felt like they settled due to production schedules.

What's with God's face and voice made up of machines in the mountains? At first I thought something great was happening, but then I felt like it was a bit cheesy. Not sure.

I would've liked to have seen the Merovingian play a more prominent role. I didn't know what that name was all about til I saw the ABC special on Mary Magdelene which claimed that she had Jesus' child, went to France, which began a bloodline of "Merovingian Kings" who all were descendants of Jesus. So I was expecting the movie Merv to reflect that in some way. But seemingly no.

Overall, the Matrix Trilogy has made me think about reality more than any other movie. For this I will always appreciate all three of these movies.

Brad

I feel the movie should have ended where the machines carried off neo's body..

and then finish off with a scene like the T2 ending..voice talking while it pans out from the machine city into darkness.

>vii) Is the reason that Sati was so important is >that she was created without purpose by two >artificials, this made Neo understand that the >artificials are no lesser life forms than he but >different

Alex -

I had a similar thought as well. Perhaps AI really isn't so different than humanity both seem to be self aware and "alive".

Great Review, Leopoldo!

I very much agree with you, especially on the scenes with Niobe and Trinity.

I must say I like Trinity in the first Film, Persephone in the second and this time my favorite female character oszillates between Niobe and Zee. I loved both of them and Trinity lost against them. When Trinity died it did not matter anymore because my heart did not hang on her anymore.

Why did Morpheus not die? For me he was as superflouous at the end of Revolutions as Trinity was at the point of her death plus:

I could well imagine Matrix-sequels without the three of them. Neo is not needed for the next three movies and can come back in the tenth installment and Merovingian could be the great Antagonist even for a TV-series running as long as StarTreck.

The child SATI could develop nicely and do not forget about Oracle & Architect the old couple.

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also recommended is the complete transcript of revolutions found here:

http://www.zionmainframe.net/main/revolutions/archive/transcript.txt

There are two prominent areas of thought behind the last two films - the philosophy & the technical
Both areas are important to understanding what is really happening - the architect is speaking from a truely technical side - it doesnt make sense complete to us because it doesnt make complete sense to him - he has done all he can do to balance the equation, but somehow has failed to eliminate this anomoly - he doesnt understand this because he simply does not understand the philosophy side, which is why the path of the one is effectivly just like downloading a patch of the internet for windows, it controls the problem rather then solving it.
The ideas on Words, Power & Why's are all key in greek philosophy - probobly the most important dialogue in the trilogy is between satis father and neo on the train platform, when he explains how machines love - as love is mearly a word - it is the meaning that is important, To understand and control something you must have a grasp on its meaning.
I have my own theory on how Neo can connect with the source outside the matrix - and that is all down to how the sentinals act - the sentinals stand down very quickly after Neo negotiates the settlement, also machines re-act very quickly to the hammer approaching the gate - I think the Source is broadcast everywhere - Neo has the implants to be jacked into the matrix - Neo's brain is wired up differently so he can somehow recieve this signal and connect to this. The wiring in the brain is prob similar to the change in baine/smith - we are told there is massive change in his nural readings and his syanptic routes - this prob allows him to connect to the matrix.

There are two prominent areas of thought behind the last two films - the philosophy & the technical
Both areas are important to understanding what is really happening - the architect is speaking from a truely technical side - it doesnt make sense complete to us because it doesnt make complete sense to him - he has done all he can do to balance the equation, but somehow has failed to eliminate this anomoly - he doesnt understand this because he simply does not understand the philosophy side, which is why the path of the one is effectivly just like downloading a patch of the internet for windows, it controls the problem rather then solving it.
The ideas on Words, Power & Why's are all key in greek philosophy - probobly the most important dialogue in the trilogy is between satis father and neo on the train platform, when he explains how machines love - as love is mearly a word - it is the meaning that is important, To understand and control something you must have a grasp on its meaning.
I have my own theory on how Neo can connect with the source outside the matrix - and that is all down to how the sentinals act - the sentinals stand down very quickly after Neo negotiates the settlement, also machines re-act very quickly to the hammer approaching the gate - I think the Source is broadcast everywhere - Neo has the implants to be jacked into the matrix - Neo's brain is wired up differently so he can somehow recieve this signal and connect to this. The wiring in the brain is prob similar to the change in baine/smith - we are told there is massive change in his nural readings and his syanptic routes - this prob allows him to connect to the matrix.

I Have seen The Matrix Revolutions and thought the the movie was better than great, i was not satified. The W. Brothers did such a great job with the whole plot developement and philosophy, but there is still much more to the story. Though AniMatrix and Enter the Matrix do shed light on many questions, the questions that leave you beating your head over should have been answered.Questions such as: Why did the "source" create Agent Smith if they knew that he would turn sour? Since, the Matrix is a computer-simulation, why does it not reconized the "rogue" programs of the matrix (i.e. those that are to be delete) and just delete them? Was the senario a situation where "the one" fights the "system" created so that the machines can control the human race by knowing the outcome of the actions because of man's pathetic faith in hope? If the machine are "intelligent" why not create a machine or something of that sort to each above the darkened skies of the real world to reach sunlight like neo did?

one last thing: the story ended with the war between man and machine ending, but the machines were still in control and matrix still running, how is that something to cheer about? the machine still control humans and the world, so how is peace ever going to work? We in reality would feel threaten if another species (or machines) as or more intelligent than us want to share ruling of this earth. No way can we coinside as batteries for them.

like i said, there is more to the story, and what developes is left to the imagination, i just wish i could figure it all out.

"Why did the "source" create Agent Smith if they knew that he would turn sour? Since, the Matrix is a computer-simulation, why does it not reconized the "rogue" programs of the matrix (i.e. those that are to be delete) and just delete them?"

My take on this is that Neo created agent Smith. The agent was there but by jumping into Smith in the Matrix he imprinted some of his consciousness on Smith. Thereby introducing Smith to free will "choice, the problem is choice" "you have freed me".
The Matrix is a construct. It does not and can not control every element within, if it could there would be no need for agents. Programs are written and put into the Matrix to control certain elements but sometimes the programs become obsolete, or better programs are written or perhaps through bad programming the programs do not act as they are supposed to. Remember the Oracle's speech about Ghosts etc.? Also we found out in Reloaded that programs need to be brought to the source to be deleted...This is why NEO let smith copy over him...He was at the source, the source then had Smith...Bye,bye Smith!
Also those left, if they want to can now leave the Matrix. But maybe they wont want to when they see the alternative, like Cypher. They need to come to the realisation they cannot be unplugged as this will kill them. Remember the Earth is still scorched and the sky is black.

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Isn't it ironic for those who accuse the others who didn't like the movie of not understand it while most of them are waiting for prequels such as video games, animes and such to fill in their
blanks? I thought you didn't want everything explained to you.

That is the point of the trilogy, to leave more than less to the imagination while inserting a definite splinter in our minds;that is the compelling idea of a system of control. With such a blend of references and symbolism it is nomal that everyone as a different take on the trilogy of the franchises, thus no one really know more then the other. So please! Some overzealous hardcore fans blinded by IDULATION for the wachowskis should quit dismissing others
with their arrogant assumptions. DON'T YOU ALL FORGET THAT THE BROTHERS THEMSELVES SAID THAT THE MATRIX IS ABOUT A SET OF QUETIONS TO DOUBDT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. So I'm guessing that includes their work as well.

I personnaly did like Revolutions, but solely for
the special effects and more because I was so excited to see the final( or if that is) take out. I felt that it was rushed and could have been better on so many levels as for the story and character developement. Since it is just the second part of of long film, shouldn't it have been titled Reloaded part2? Well, it probably for the purpose of more biblical references or symbolism. I really didn't mind the endind, I would have even prefer the total destruction of Zion. Man, when I saw those machines..I said they would be foolish not to take advantage of their power. But that's what happened. But I understand that I'm way ehead of my time with my apocalyptic views. The brothers on the other end want it to be a reflection of our present reality, not further.

Well, although there's anough for another movie, I hope they don't give in to the Hollywood money-machine or it will cearly be seing as streching a good thing for profit only.

I still don't undetstand how neo can affect machines in the real world.

And also, after neo has defeated smith the machines suddenly stops the war.

Why don't they just kill neo and carry on with what yhey were doing.

Being even a bigger fan of M2 than M1, I was truly disappointed by M3. I would liked to have seen Neo and Trinity joking with each, just once, to get the impression they really did like eachother, to name one of my objections, but I was most annoyed by the big action scene: the defence of the dock, that surprisingly so many people rave about. I just could not get beyond my irritation that the dock was actually defended so stupidly. Who ever thought of the idea to fight an enemy that just doesn't stop when you merely shoot holes in it, with machine guns? In "Starship Troopers" it was just as stupid, but acceptable, because Verhoeven actually wanted the military look stupid and totally unconcerned about wasting human life - the more the better - but this was supposedly humanities last stand.

They knew all along how the dock would be attack: by drillers followed by sentinels. The good thing about the drillers is that they make a pipe: that's when and where the sentinels are concentrated. Just shoot something like torpedos into the pipe, bingo! Preferably, fit them with EMP devices, now that would be really effective.

Or, EMP boobytraps around Zion? (Too bad it wasn't a Star Trek episode: Jordi would have had a 'EMP deflector shield around Zion' up in no time). Or if all this would not have worked, at least 'driller seaking' missiles rather than these obsolete bazooka's.

The Machines on the other hand aren't very clever either: what is wrong with a suicide-sentinel? Just hack 'My purpose is to destroy myself and take a human ship or APU with me' in it's CPU, and no further worries. Is all that senseless random laserdrilling only to have humans keep the faith that they actually can beat the machines, in order for them to remain happy little batteries?

I really enjoyed the whole Matrix trilogy. Many some people say "It was too confusing" "I didn't understand it" wich is, quite, hard to understand beacause they answered everything, except a few things, in the movie. Anyway, I think that the Third matrix was just as good as the other two. Each movie had their own big "Scene". In the matrix it was the Shooting spree in the lobby (which got me into the Matrix), the second was the big highway scene, the third was the war with the machines.
My brother was the first to tell me about the Matrix. I then saw that it was on Pay Per View, so I orderd it and watched it and I knew that I was hooked. I'm thankfull for my brother telling me about the Matrix beacaus I now LOVE the Matrix movies. Not only the action but also the subliminal messages and the whole idea that "This could be a reality".
I love and will always love the Matrix and I hope that you will, too

TYPICAL GUYS AT THE OFFICE

OK, It's only a few weeks before M3, so this is a big topic around the office as we all try to guess the answers to the questions M2 left us with: how did Neo sense and stop the sentinels, what's Bane gonna do when he wakes up, Neo and Bane are unconscious so where are they really at, and who is the mastermind behind all of this. I'm sure there's plenty more. I even tried to cram in reading months of M2 discussion on this site's the architect transcript page all within a few weeks. Didn't make it in time but sure is a lot of intriguing reading. I'd highly recommend it for those who haven't read some of it yet.

So finally it's M3 night and all of us at work get together for drinks and to see this long awaited conclusion. to finally get those answers. NOT. After it was over we are all standing in the parking lot holding nothing but blank looks. Sure the scenes and special fx were great but the movie just simply did not give any of us what we wanted. All agreed. Personally, I wanted to see someone pull that curtain back revealing who the wizard of oz was behind it all (or so to speak). Though it was an entertaining film, it simply did not deliver the jewels I wanted (and paid for). THOSE ANSWERS.

They completely ruined the Bane/Smith opportunity. Smith somehow pulls this amazing feat and finds himself in the real world via Bane. He sets off the EMP in M2 causing some damage, but now It's M3 time and the skies the limit so what kind of real damage does he now do. he kills one lady (Maggie), big deal, he blinds Neo in a fight. That's it? I would of liked to see him really do some stuff before he went out. Totally lost opportunity with the last face shown before the lights went out in M2.

Did I miss something when the movie explained how Neo stopped the sentinels in M2? I swear I didn't get up to go to the bathroom, was there an explanation at all?

That spiked hair looking machine in the end looked totally stupid. What was that anyway? And why did it have a handy Matrix plug in conveniently right there to use on Neo? Was that a virgin plug or had it been used before?

Monday morning at the office we all came to a conclusion. The W brothers need to come forward and say "OK, we screwed this one up. So just forget what you saw because we are going to recall Revolutions and do it right. We're really sorry to all of those M1/M2 enthusiast and we're gonna make it up to you with "The Matrix - Redone"

They weren't kidding when they said all good things must come to an end were they?

"And also, after neo has defeated smith the machines suddenly stops the war.
Why don't they just kill neo and carry on with what yhey were doing."
-excuse the bad english

In M2 and specially in M3 we are being given the impression that machines cannot lie. The "sea-urchin -machine" promised Neo peace if he could stop Smith...

I'm sorry. The previous film had scenes that could of been easily excised, this one had scenes that weren't right or just plain unintentionally funny. Case in point, the Merovigians club. The leather, the pointy masked guy. Not only is it funny to see this guy here, it makes you remember all those things you've heard about a certain co-director/co-writer/ brother. The leather costume Trinity wore in the previous film was awful in my opinion, it looked terrible. Leather bondage is not threatening the immediate physical way, it's threatening in the destroy society way. I know I heard snickering in the theater.